Christina Florkowski
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As we were settling in for the conference on Friday evening at CIIS back in March, Iain took to the podium.
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Iain tells a joke at the conclusion of ‘The <yt-formatted-string force-default-style=””>Beshara Lecture – the Coincidence of Opposites</yt-formatted-string>‘
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This video is available out of order as it is the Q&A session following the final session of the conference on the Spirituality & the Sacred with presentations by Richard Tarnas, John Vervaeke, and Andrew M. Davis, though the presentations by Tarnas and Vervaeke do not appear to be available – yet.
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<div>Another recording recently posted from the event.
Andrew M. Davis: Iain McGilchrist, Axiological Asymmetry, and the Mystery of Existence | </div>
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It seems some of the recordings from the CIIS event are beginning to informally trickle out.
Matt Segal: In Defense of Truth as Participation
https://youtu.be/-qy5k9vTg-w?si=Gc67jVXI7_EVHVvVAt the end of Matt’s presentation, the video breaks to the Q&A (omitting presentations by Zak Stein and Carolyn Cooke) editing to include only the questions addressed by Matt Segal. (Just in case you are wondering about the two others sitting on the panel in this video.)
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@Andy, good questions! How would you see this reading group working? Do you have a proposal for the cadence and how participants would be invited to engage as we went along?
My sense for this community forum is that it still is finding its way. The tool itself has some issues, but I can’t imagine that McGilchrist and his team has time to invest in that. This feels like an experiment – and so I am here in that spirit.
A question that appears for me right now in this thread: am I a consumer in this forum or a member of a community?
thanks for the question,
~Christina
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It really isn’t a surprise that McGilchrist’s theory is a challenge for some.
I recently noticed that someone has created a Wiki page for ‘The Matter With Things’. – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Matter_with_Things. It features Ellis’s criticisms.
My sense is that while it honors the appearance of neutrality, it leaves an overall dismissive tone.
The same person who created that page also created a page for ‘The Master and His Emissary’. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Master_and_His_Emissary
It will be interesting to watch to see if anyone chooses to elaborate on these wiki articles.
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Here is David Hockney’s response to a drawing by Rembrandt. “The Single Greatest Drawing Ever Made,” he declared flatly. “I defy you to show me a better one.”
I’d like to hear how others read this. For me, it dances between right and left attention. The details of the marks of the reed pen and the appreciation of the relationships and care evoked by those marks.
“Look at the speed, the way he wields that reed pen, drawing very fast, with gestures that are masterly, virtuoso, calling attention not to themselves but rather to the very tender subject at hand, a family teaching its youngest member to walk. Look, for instance at those whisking marks on the head and shoulders of the girl in the center, the older sister, probably made with the other side of the pen, which let you know that she is craning, turning anxiously to look at the baby’s face to make sure he’s okay. Or how the mother, on the other side, holds him up in a slightly different, more experienced manner. the astonishing double profile of her face, to either side of the mark. the evident roughness of the material of her dress: how this is decidedly not satin. The face of the baby: how even though you can’t see it, you can tell he is beaming. this mountain of figures, and then, to balance it all, the passing milkmaid, how you can feel the weight of the bucket she carries in the extension of her opposite arm. Look at the speed, the sheer mastery.”
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Yes, thank you @manuela @bobeng @forest @shannon @pbarus.
As I mentioned, McGilchrist’s statement (here is what was said at the Conference on Iain’s work at CIIS) “if we could just get a small percentage, perhaps only 3% or 5% of the population, really to see what I’m getting at about the difference between this fragmented, pointless cosmos of random movements of pieces that have no meaning, no direction, and no beauty, no goodness, no truth. If we could get away from that in only a small fraction of the population, I think a lot of things would change.”
Hearing that, I find myself facing the question: what would it mean to “really get” what Iain is getting at? It is wonderful to encounter these ideas and have a sense that inner thoughts and feelings are affirmed.
At the same time, I am certain that doesn’t go far enough to meet the need of this threshold McGilchrist speaks of. I say that because I can (sometimes) see where I’ve bought into the madness. (Ideological arrogance is one that I sometimes recognize.)
If there is already a topic here where this is being discussed, please provide a pointer.
#3%
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Thank you and @Forest (and @boben) for getting this going. Really wonderful to see real human beings (even if only virtually.)
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@manuela
I am attempting to join the meeting. Zoom says it is waiting for the host to start the meeting. Was anyone designated to be the host? -
Thank you for the suggestion, Bob. While there might be specific meeting here or there that I could not attend, this general plan would work for me.
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Hi Cooper,
If I didn’t already have a queue of my own questions I might. Though, if you only mean to alert Iain (rather than get a response) a message to the admin of this place should do it. There is a ‘contact us’ button on the left bar. There are so many questions submitted to the members Q&A that anything we can address elsewhere, we should.~C
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No apology needed @thaumasmus . The tree has many branches. My interest happens to be the occasions that open experience.