The Collapse of Our Civilization

  • The Collapse of Our Civilization

    Posted by Marshall Polk on November 7, 2023 at 12:43 am

    I seemed to have missed a full explanation in The Master and His Emissary of Ian’s bold but understandable claim that civilizations have collapsed (eg. Roman Empire etc.) due to over emphasis of the LH worldview. Could someone point me in a direction in Ian’s teaches or others that explain in more detail this thesis? I’m currently reading book 1 of TMWT but it does not appear in the table of contents that there is a detailed explanation of this claim in these books either. I don’t disagree, but I would like more explicit historical examples of this and I seemed to have missed it in my readings.

    Marshall Polk replied 8 months ago 2 Members · 2 Replies
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  • Whit Blauvelt

    Member
    November 7, 2023 at 1:38 am

    Having read through the whole of The Master and The Matter, I don’t see that there’s anything like the full workup of Roman history that would be required to make a substantial case. McGilchrist’s argument seems more a suggestion than a proof.

    Volume II of The Matter consists largely of a brilliant collection of quotes from those in recent centuries who’ve observed that there’s much to our world beyond rational grasp — many of the quotes from those such as physicists who’ve extended the rational grasp towards its limits.

    Last week I badly bruised one hand, such that it was fully out of use for several days. I was surprised by how many normal acts require two hands. Is the health of a civilization then to be measured by which hand it favors, or is the important measure how well they work together? Are we best with either one the master, or with both in what Jung called the alchemical marriage?

  • Marshall Polk

    Member
    November 12, 2023 at 9:11 pm

    Thank you. I wonder if there might be another book that makes this argument stronger. Or perhaps it’s not that ultimately important.

    Great question. Before I heard Ian talk I had never thought of civilization in this divided manor. I am no expert but it seems civilizations can be so diverse it becomes hard to accurately and meaningfully measure (depending on what you measure and how).

    I also believe that cultures and civilization naturally change and die out over time as well as being “done in by” something/s. But yes it seems obvious we need both and that it is difficult to achieve any balance or calibrate society in this regard – (should we even possess this kind of thought control over large populations? It may be ultimately good we don’t).

    I love Jung but I thought the alchemical marriage produced a third option that eventually emerged from holding the “two opposite poles” as it were or do I have it wrong? But I do believe that I like societies that put people not things first. Where human dignity is respected in everyone as a baseline of most if not all endeavors, and where culture helps people give meaning and perhaps purpose to their lives rather than working against these values. Ian seems to say that would be the result of RH dominance, so….again a dominate argument. I don’t know.

    What do you think?

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